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  • Battle of the Super Nakeds! Pro's and Con's...

    So, my old body and current riding style dictate that a full sports bike just isn't necessary or the ideal choice for more urban riding, and the tighter it is the more a race-style bike just doesn't cut it anymore. So, i made a decision to buy a Z1000 a couple of years ago, but after getting engrossed in high speed and track days, the z just didn't do what i wanted. Or so i thought....

    So, here i am, after owning a well set up and more than quick enough gsxr and a very amusing dirt bike/tard conversion thinking a comfortable, but aggressive naked, with enough torque, short gearing and a riding position that give optimal leverage/control is the way forward. And guess what, the market in Australia just may be agreeing with me

    Midsize nakeds are ideal for street (my faves are the Yamaha Mt-09, could live with the looks and negatives for the hooligan nature, or the Kawasaki Z800 for looks, ride, quality) but just don't have the mumbo on higher speed country/backroad blasts. Now, i appreciate that on a naked 200+ is not ideal, but i like having the option should a closed bit of road happen to be on the agenda. So, requirements dictate more grunt.

    The new Bmw i know little about, but has me intrigued and curious enough to short list it. The new Z1000 is also on the short list (should NEVER have sold the last one!!!). Bikes that are out include the Ducati Monster (ride position and bars/leverage, price for performance), Fz1 (preferred the old Z, so can't imagine much has changed), Bandits (really? I am not that old. Yet) and Honda don't do the excellent CB1000r anymore (liked it, was very pricey when new, i don't want a 5 year old second hand bike tho). Aprilia Tuono i just can't gell with (and, just as a personal thing, i don't think it was worth $7k more than my z when i last rode them back to back, but could understand the appeal), Mt01 is too big and lumpy whick leaves the great unknowm to me of KTM. Gee, they seem to have every option covered, and 990Dukes are a blast!

    So, for everyone's discussion of pro's and cons, price v's pace, value and equipment (whats just a gimmick and whats really wanted/needed), i am asking for opinions and advice of the 2014 Kawasaki Z1000, Bmw s1000 naked thingy, Ktm 1290 and Triumph Speed Triple (last time i rode one it was flat, boring and overpriced. Hadn't thought of including it until now...)

    Is there anything else on the market in the high teens to low $20k bracket worth considering?

    Appreciate the input and opinion

    sS
    yes, i am ignorant
    yes, i am a prick
    no, i don't care
    you make me sick

  • #2
    Battle of the Super Nakeds! Pro's and Con's...

    1290, game over

    But, I'm very keen on the Beemer, let's go for a test ride on one Monday

    Mt09 is a very good bang for buck proposition. You have a very hard choice mate!

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    • #3
      Crash the gixxer, go +8 rear spricket and put bar risers on it?

      “Crashing is shit for you, shit for the bike, shit for the mechanics and shit for the set-up,” Checa told me a while back. “It’s a signal that you are heading in the wrong direction. You want to win but crashing is the opposite. It’s like being in France when you want to go to England and when you crash you go to Spain. That way you’ll never get to England!” -- Carlos Checa

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      • #4
        nah the MT09 is way to snatchy on the throttle, I'd wait till they sort that out.

        Andy is loving the Z8, but says at high revs it's a tad to vibratey through the bars, now the 1290 does look good and I know he would love one, but doubt he's going to get rid of his all time favourite fast bike the Streetfighter S. It was looking a little shakey when they first announced the 1290, but it is safe atm

        As you say the Speed Trip might be lacking a little, Andy seems to use his 2011 model for long hauls i.e. to Phillip Island and is heading to Darwin on it this July, so it must be comfortable enough for the long runs??

        I have seen pics of the BMW, but fear that would be a tad overpriced as well, the Z1000 might be the way to go if you don't like the 1290

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        • #5
          Bmw k1300r?


          edit:
          probably out of price bracket new. possibly also when secondhand.

          but... telelever, 170hp and no more chain...


          Or R1200... boxer noise sounds nice with a pipe.
          Last edited by thro; 15-02-2014, 01:16 PM.
          “Crashing is shit for you, shit for the bike, shit for the mechanics and shit for the set-up,” Checa told me a while back. “It’s a signal that you are heading in the wrong direction. You want to win but crashing is the opposite. It’s like being in France when you want to go to England and when you crash you go to Spain. That way you’ll never get to England!” -- Carlos Checa

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          • #6
            I loove my muscle bound gsx1400 retro and toughness!! These days everything is going mainstream, ever looked at a duke??
            Freedom - its your choice live it!

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            • #7
              wait for the new 1200 Monster to come out it sound like a beast.
              Diavel engine in a monster 140odd horses
              2014 Ducati Monster 1200 and 1200 S- First Look Review- Photos
              and they are still sporty in nature with a upright riding position.
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              • #8
                [QUOTE=Stoneville;3018910]nah the MT09 is way to snatchy on the throttle, I'd wait till they sort that out.

                ...looks like a couple of hundred & a short wait can have that sorted for the most part...

                There are a few options for rectifying this that I have read about, a small mod to the TPS, an ECU flash (hence the wait, I still need an Aussie model part # to confirm) & a mod to the throttle tube to eliminate a small amount of sideways movement (& resprung)

                I've opted for the MT09 based on 30mins on the back of it. Your high speed runs still remain an unknown at this point, though this is one of the areas I am moving away from...

                The snatchy throttle & fairly soft suspension seem to be the 2 downfalls of this bike, yet both seem to be reasonably easily rectified.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by thro View Post
                  Bmw k1300r?


                  edit:
                  probably out of price bracket new. possibly also when secondhand.

                  but... telelever, 170hp and no more chain...


                  Or R1200... boxer noise sounds nice with a pipe.
                  This but I fear Steve wants a fnr spec bike this may not be suitable but [MENTION=8416]shortSteve[/MENTION], do you remember the note of that boxer down PI straight? It was the horn

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by thro View Post
                    Bmw k1300r?


                    edit:
                    probably out of price bracket new. possibly also when secondhand.

                    but... telelever, 170hp and no more chain...


                    Or R1200... boxer noise sounds nice with a pipe.
                    R1200 i hadn't thought of! So just went and had an online looksee, i would rate it along with MotoGuzzi...
                    Looks VERY capable (as do most Beemers), but 30-40hp shy and $5kish rich. K1300 ticks all the boxes, but is BIG, in stature and price, and i would prefer a B-king if going to a bike that size.
                    The Ducati Streetfighter is another i will add to list, the 848 looks bang on the money, if a lil lean in power/torque, but light and flickable. The bigger one would be a monster! Bit to "racey" methinks tho.
                    How's the MV Augusta and Benelli reliability/parts/service these days?
                    yes, i am ignorant
                    yes, i am a prick
                    no, i don't care
                    you make me sick

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                    • #11
                      I just love my FZ1. 2011 version with pc5 Leo Vince go evo 2 slipon -1 +2 drive ,its like shit off a shovel.
                      Torquey as hell and really positive throttle feedback .
                      Hit 7k and she screams .F 15 k on the road I won't be changing any time soon and its a blast at barbs too
                      Wine for my men
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                      • #12
                        Hypermotard? Multistrada? The new multistrada isn't ugly as fuck and allegedly has on-the-fly adjustable suspension and engine mappings to turn it into something resembling a sporty bike...

                        (again, probably more $$ than desired, but things i'd be considering secondhand maybe if i was looking for options in that space).


                        edit:
                        HP2... even more $$ (cry) but the flat twin sounds porn

                        “Crashing is shit for you, shit for the bike, shit for the mechanics and shit for the set-up,” Checa told me a while back. “It’s a signal that you are heading in the wrong direction. You want to win but crashing is the opposite. It’s like being in France when you want to go to England and when you crash you go to Spain. That way you’ll never get to England!” -- Carlos Checa

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                        • #13
                          He won't own Ducati full stop.

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                          • #14
                            Test rode a 1290 yesterday, with my knees starting to feel it on the super sport and lower back adding to that have been thinking the same as sS.

                            The duke was a great ride, fun, nimble and with great power delivery. I only used it in street mode, didn't go all balls out on it.
                            My biggest bugbear was 24k ride away
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by shortSteve View Post
                              . K1300 ticks all the boxes, but is BIG, in stature and price, and i would prefer a B-king if going to a bike that size.
                              They were running the k1300r out at $21k with all the options, due to the naked s1000 coming in. It turns really nicely and doesn't feel big when you're on it. It really would be worth a test ride.
                              "Speed Kills". The stupid person's answer to a complex problem.

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