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  • Detailing - Silicone vs Wax

    Seen stealerships use Silicone spray to detail bikes and then encourage others to do the same.

    I know this is wrong as I've resprayed a car once and the painter went ape because of my chronic week end waxing problem, further the overspray from the wheels (Silicone based wheels stuff) made painting near on impossible for him without days of prep.

    So always defaulted to non silicone based products and resisted the urge to use them even though they have so many pluses, for example longevity and deep shine.

    Paging Clean Rides [MENTION=30080]RRossi[/MENTION] and resident painter [MENTION=8418]potato[/MENTION] for this debate.

    Linky too:

    Waxes and Sealants

    Last edited by Gippo; 27-02-2014, 06:59 AM.
    Its all good on Ducati's

  • #2
    No point the painters whinging, its their job regardless.

    Its your job to keep the bike looking nice.

    use what ever give you the results you want.
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    • #3
      [MENTION=8418]potato[/MENTION] may also help as well?

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      • #4
        I was scarred many years ago when respraying a car. I'll never use silicone again.
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        • #5
          All the dealers and tune up guys use mr sheen i got 10 cans at home because its fantastic on a micro fibre cloth cleans leather,glass,plastic basically your hole bike lol its good shit for a quick detail spray on wipe off and go over at the end with a clean cloth it shines like a diamond or other alternative i use is Maguire's spray on wax its really good but pricey but worth the work as well. or if your a trade painter like me cut back a polish makes a big shine or even cut back and re-clear with some good clear that's how i do it to my and my mates rides lol
          WORK TO LIVE, LIVE TO RIDE

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          • #6
            Here you are broken down for you all:


            Silicone's (Motul Spray and shin, Autoglym Bike shine and anything else in a Can or liquid) are the cheap fast alternative that give good results but need more of it and more regular applications - they produce a shiny but depthless appearance, painters hate it and it costs more in the long run


            Natural Wax / Carnauba wax (Swissvax,Zymoil) gives a deep wet look that last longer give’s a “Wet” soft look and feel, can last up to 6 months but is more effort to apply - this to me is the best product but its all is personal preference but is very expensive to buy initially but is the by far the cheapest to use


            Hybrids - (Turtle Wax, Mothers, Mequires) made up of Fillers, Silicones they use say 2% Carnauba Wax and I think its more marketing that anything else and the rest silicones and chemicals to achieve the best of both worlds but in real life its gives the depth a little and shine of a Natural wax a little but you use 5x as much and it last half as long and cost you a lot more in the end, one major benefit is it’s a little easier to apply, this is what most people use and are happy with just you can get longer and better looking results for a little more and works out cheaper.


            Chemicals – (Modesta,CarQ) This is the new era of products, these use 100% chemicals that use either H2O or O2 to create a chemical reaction and it seals the paint with a hard rock like finish that gives a high shine, slight depth but the ultimate protection, there are a lot of products that are heaped into this category yet 99% of them are just fairy liquid that add a shine that last a few months and wears off, not that this is a bad thing, others can last up to 7 years but are very easy to ruin and wreck your paint if not applied correctly and cant be buffed so this is a down fall, I am testing these products and so far after 2 months its looking good but still a long way to go.




            So these are the 4 main category’s, now you may ask what do I prefer?



            The answer is simple, ALL of them, its horses for courses, there are heaps of different paints on the market and heaps of different applications also add to this everyone is after something different as we all have different circumstances,


            here are a few examples:


            Going on a country trip in your car for a few weeks- H2OCARQ water based sealer, lasts 3 months = will make clean up of bugs and road grime easier and will look fantastic with just water sprayed on.


            Ducati Gloss Paints – Swissvax Shield Wax = Added huge depth to the soft, soft paint and protects it with Teflon coating, this is the ultimate after Crystal Rock that is 1.5k a tub 



            Harley Davidsion – Matte Paint -Swissvax Opaque = Wax designed for Matte Paints, stops finger prints and keeps a sexy sheen



            A Company Car = AutoGlym Aqua Wax = Quick Easy shine that keeps it looking good for longer but takes little effort and time to apply, results are amazing, keeps you boss happy



            Naked Gloss Bike – Megs Tech2 Wax – use on frame as it doesn’t mind heat and is easy to apply


            Commuter during winter = Chemical Sealant = Wheels and body work, make up keep easier and dirt and grim just wipes off or a Brand new bike that will never get cleaned just ridden, a perfect opportunity to use this product.



            Thanks for reading all this and I hope it has given some food for Thought on the subject.




            RR
            http://www.cleanride.com.au - https://www.facebook.com/cleanridedetailingstudio/ - https://twitter.com/CleanRideAD - https://www.instagram.com/clean_ride_aus/

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            • #7
              Thanks Roberto, but using outright spray silicone..... do you agree its a no no?

              Also if most products contain silicone, then surely the painters are used to it and can prep surfaces accordingly.

              Also does Autoglym Liquid Hardwax (Gloss Wax) contain silicone? From your post no big deal then?

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              1 x Swissvax wax please [MENTION=30080]RRossi[/MENTION]

              How much and when can I pick up.

              Would like to review and offer feedback.
              Its all good on Ducati's

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              • #8
                From my understanding, from painting a few cars and bikes myself, as home jobbies... and discussions with my Uncle who has years of spraying experience, from specialised car restoration to luxury yacht interiours....
                Silicone is the painters enemy. One dust spec of silicone, will "frog eye" a good paint job instantly.

                The only way to repaint something that has been treated with silicone is either sand it back hard, wash, rinse repeat etc until all traces of silicone are gone ... which you dont really know until after you try and paint again... (which is a lot of time & hence labour cost ... which is going to be forwarded on to you) ....

                or - there are products to help "siliconise" (?) the paint so it doesnt react badly to silicone .... but then your whole workshop is contaminated with silicone, and like peoples tastes getting used to chilli sauce, over time you just need more and more additives to stop new paint jobs going bad.... so paint shop people obviously don't want to head down this path!

                I don't know when I'm likely to need to respray, but I stay away from silicone products for both cars and bikes if I can help it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gippo View Post
                  Thanks Roberto, but using outright spray silicone..... do you agree its a no no? - out there

                  Also if most products contain silicone, then surely the painters are used to it and can prep surfaces accordingly.

                  Also does Autoglym Liquid Hardwax (Gloss Wax) contain silicone? From your post no big deal then?

                  - - - Updated - - -

                  1 x Swissvax wax please [MENTION=30080]RRossi[/MENTION]

                  How much and when can I pick up.

                  Would like to review and offer feedback.

                  you can pick up anytime, this is the kit you need:


                  Swissvax* Bike Kit - Gloss -


                  again not cheap @$259.00 but at $18.00 a detail and enough to do your bike 15 times it goes a long, long way,


                  These recent people have had this product used on there ride or bought a kit and done it themselves -


                  [MENTION=10478]Kaido[/MENTION] [MENTION=15865]Squash[/MENTION] [MENTION=8954]Broms[/MENTION] [MENTION=7689]mekon[/MENTION] im sure they can tell you if its good/shit or just a gimmick



                  RR
                  http://www.cleanride.com.au - https://www.facebook.com/cleanridedetailingstudio/ - https://twitter.com/CleanRideAD - https://www.instagram.com/clean_ride_aus/

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gippo View Post
                    Thanks Roberto, but using outright spray silicone..... do you agree its a no no? - out there

                    Also if most products contain silicone, then surely the painters are used to it and can prep surfaces accordingly.

                    Also does Autoglym Liquid Hardwax (Gloss Wax) contain silicone? From your post no big deal then?

                    - - - Updated - - -

                    1 x Swissvax wax please [MENTION=30080]RRossi[/MENTION]

                    How much and when can I pick up.

                    Would like to review and offer feedback.

                    you can pick up anytime, this is the kit you need:


                    Swissvax* Bike Kit - Gloss -


                    again not cheap @$259.00 but at $18.00 a detail and enough to do your bike 15 times it goes a long, long way,


                    These recent people have had this product used on there ride or bought a kit and done it themselves -


                    [MENTION=10478]Kaido[/MENTION] [MENTION=15865]Squash[/MENTION] [MENTION=8954]Broms[/MENTION] [MENTION=7689]mekon[/MENTION] im sure they can tell you if its good/shit or just a gimmick



                    RR
                    http://www.cleanride.com.au - https://www.facebook.com/cleanridedetailingstudio/ - https://twitter.com/CleanRideAD - https://www.instagram.com/clean_ride_aus/

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GIXXEN View Post
                      No point the painters whinging, its their job regardless.

                      Its your job to keep the bike looking nice.

                      use what ever give you the results you want.
                      true,

                      just remember to tell you painter about your waxing habits so he's prepared and costs the work accordingly


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                      • #12
                        Of course

                        Fairs fair
                        2013 Ducati 1199 Panigale
                        2014 KTM 1290 Super Duke R x2
                        2012 KAWASAKI ZX6R SUPERSTOCK RACE BIKE (Alive Again!)
                        2009 YAMAHA R6 SUPERSPORT TRACK/RACE BIKE
                        2008 HONDA CBR1000RR SUPERBIKE TRACK/RACE BIKE
                        2012 KAWASAKI NINJA 250 PRODUCTION RACE BIKE

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RRossi View Post
                          you can pick up anytime, this is the kit you need:


                          Swissvax* Bike Kit - Gloss -


                          again not cheap @$259.00 but at $18.00 a detail and enough to do your bike 15 times it goes a long, long way,


                          These recent people have had this product used on there ride or bought a kit and done it themselves -


                          Kaido Squash Broms mekon im sure they can tell you if its good/shit or just a gimmick



                          RR
                          It is indeed the good shit, I've also swissvax'd the car and now I just have to give it a quick wash and its back to looking glossy, and the water just beads right off

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                          • #14
                            [MENTION=30080]RRossi[/MENTION] , does Maguires Quick detailer have silicone in it? it seems to bring back the wet look between polishing.
                            I love the convenience, but any drawbacks long term?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Aufitt View Post
                              [MENTION=30080]RRossi[/MENTION] , does Maguires Quick detailer have silicone in it? it seems to bring back the wet look between polishing.
                              I love the convenience, but any drawbacks long term?
                              Yeah it does and long term it will just haze and swirl your paint as your not actively washing the paint, your just sipping the dirt away with a spray, leaving in shiny but not adding any protection that a wax does



                              RR
                              http://www.cleanride.com.au - https://www.facebook.com/cleanridedetailingstudio/ - https://twitter.com/CleanRideAD - https://www.instagram.com/clean_ride_aus/

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