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  • Where has PSB gone?

    So the question is where have the rides gone?
    Lately theres a metric shit tonne of rides organized all over the multitude of Facebook groups, but practically nothing here InTheLoop. I remember the PSB of late would have at least a couple rides posted weekly. Maybe Iv been away for too long and am missing something? Seems kinda quiet, a little too quiet...
    A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a Unicorn.

  • #2
    Well.. there's a bit of history involved with this.

    Last year some time, the site crashed and was down for about (I think) 6 weeks.

    BlackFZR was able to resurrect the forum with a later version of the forum software, however, I believe he had his hands severely tied WRT what he could do with the site, due to limitations of the software, and the result is a broken version of the forum that you see here. I think this has left a lot of members dissatisfied with the state it's now in, and just can't be bothered with it. Of late, over the past few weeks, forum activity has been growing.. slowly, but unless the forum is returned to its former usability, I don't see much of a future for it. I'm guessing that money has a bit to do with it as well, we need to pay someone who is *well* versed in this version of the software to bring it up to speed - but that's not going to be cheap.

    I'm sure BlackFZR would be able to confirm/refute some of this.

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    • #3
      Stoney stopped running the LNR's via PSB, which was the most frequent ride posted on PSB. Roadcraft rides kinda dried up too, my guess being the ROI was too low for the ride leads to keep bothering. And when the site dropped, people scattered to other places they could find rides and cliqued up.

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      • #4
        The forum was on the slide for a long time due to poor moderation/direction etc. Most members haven't posted since 2015. Cruiser forum hasnt had a post since 2018.
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        • #5
          A lot of the regular posters have disappeared which seems strange, even accounting for the site issues. I'm not a serious poster but did enjoy reading other peoples opinions on various subjects inside & outside of biking. I was a regular visitor to the site.
          Rogue or bullshit posters didn't help, I'm looking at "Lilbuono" or "Cool Harley Guy" They were good for laughs but pissed off people too, perhaps devaluing the site as a source of biking info.

          I hope some of the original posters come back but it's been quiet for a while now.

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          • #6
            I think that forum activity generates more forum activity. I remain hopeful that this place will recover.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by pnork View Post
              I think that forum activity generates more forum activity. I remain hopeful that this place will recover.
              yes. i think thats very true pnork and agree, and the problems stemmed back well before Tim put his hand up and got thrown the hand grenade, back to the crash before the last crash which totally borked the backend. That was the start. He's done a much more than fair effort to even keep it going in a reduced way as I feel most others have moved on, or would have said "meh fuck it who cares now switch it off". I too sense there are people lurking around waiting for something to happen and posting up stuff is a good way to kick it off.

              I've said I'm happy to step up, keep it going and drive it into the future whilst respecting and celebrating what and who PSB was and did, but the original and current format just wont work in 2020. I think it still has a lot to offer.




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              • #8
                pnork pretty much has it. But in more detail below.

                Forum decline began in ~2012, with the rising popularity and ease of use of Facebook. A lot of people that used to post regularly on PSB, but wanted to exclude anyone that they deemed a waste of time (part of the nature of any community once it gets above a certain number of people) transitioned across to facebook to organise their rides, events etc, as it meant they didn't have to post it to a wider community that they didn't know from a bar of soap or deal with the random posting and madness associated with the anonymity of an online forum.

                Alongside this, if you consider the GFC began to see a reduction bike sales to new riders (i.e. first time bike owners), as well as the escalation and more regular enforcement of draconian road rules (hoon laws), there was a general decline in the wide variety of group rides, and new riders joining the community. Additionally the demographic that grew up using forums had a lifestyle change (relationships, kids, more senior roles at work) which saw them use it less frequently, and the newer riders prefer the new communication media of facebook.

                Due to other commitments, ~2014 PSB lost it's actively engaged administrators (programmers) that kept the forum software updated and running, which lead to it's first significant crash in late 2016 while running a now redundant VB4 forum software. With some help from two newly appointed admin's this was resurrected and continued to limp on for another 2 years.

                The beginning of 2019, the forum database crashed again. The database was saved, however the VB4 interface unable to be recovered. Again due to no available admins, as well as the costs to independently host the forum, the forum was rolled over and became hosted by VBulletin, who now complete all the back-end updates etc. Now there is only a single active administrator with restricted access to parts in the backend (me).

                So if you take into account the general downturn in the motorcycle industry, understandable ease of interface and ability to ignore people you don't agree with / like provided by facebook, change in lifestyle of the majority of previous users due to age, seniority of positions at work, kids & marriage, as well as the change in the forum itself due to lack of maintenance / support at the back end, you get to where we are now.

                Could it be recovered? I think with the concerted efforts of a lot of people over a few years, it quite possibly could, but I'm passively waiting for people to do more than ask "what happened, I don't like what it is now", and instead start saying "How can I help get it back to what it was". Will people be happy to wait for that to occur over a period of time, or get disenchanted within 3, 6 or 12 months?

                The intent right now is to continue supporting the cost of the forum side of PSB for an additional 12 months. If the income through supporter /sponsor subscriptions or sales of some sort doesn't improve over the next 12 months so that I don't continue to pay it out of my own pocket, the forum will be shut down, and PSB will just become a page and group on facebook.
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                • #9
                  Thanks Tim. I'm impatient at the best of times, but I've been a member here since 2006 and don't intend on giving up hope anytime soon. I'm happy to renew my subscription if the money can help some how, but I'm sure there's more than just $$ needed. I'm in IT - but I have 0 knowledge of VBulletin, so don't know how I can help there - but am willing to learn. So: How can I help?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by pnork View Post
                    Thanks Tim. I'm impatient at the best of times, but I've been a member here since 2006 and don't intend on giving up hope anytime soon. I'm happy to renew my subscription if the money can help some how, but I'm sure there's more than just $$ needed. I'm in IT - but I have 0 knowledge of VBulletin, so don't know how I can help there - but am willing to learn. So: How can I help?
                    +1 On joining in 06 as well TBH mate if you are in IT then learning vB should be a doddle
                    About 8 years ago I took over running OzBB after they too went through a couple of crashes and the original Admin guy moved over to the UK and I managed to learn most things to do with using vB
                    That's not too bad given 16 years ago my knowledge of computers was that bad I thought Excel was a car and Word was something you spoke
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BlackFZR View Post
                      pnork pretty much has it. But in more detail below.

                      Forum decline began in ~2012, with the rising popularity and ease of use of Facebook. A lot of people that used to post regularly on PSB, but wanted to exclude anyone that they deemed a waste of time (part of the nature of any community once it gets above a certain number of people) transitioned across to facebook to organise their rides, events etc, as it meant they didn't have to post it to a wider community that they didn't know from a bar of soap or deal with the random posting and madness associated with the anonymity of an online forum.

                      Alongside this, if you consider the GFC began to see a reduction bike sales to new riders (i.e. first time bike owners), as well as the escalation and more regular enforcement of draconian road rules (hoon laws), there was a general decline in the wide variety of group rides, and new riders joining the community. Additionally the demographic that grew up using forums had a lifestyle change (relationships, kids, more senior roles at work) which saw them use it less frequently, and the newer riders prefer the new communication media of facebook.

                      Due to other commitments, ~2014 PSB lost it's actively engaged administrators (programmers) that kept the forum software updated and running, which lead to it's first significant crash in late 2016 while running a now redundant VB4 forum software. With some help from two newly appointed admin's this was resurrected and continued to limp on for another 2 years.

                      The beginning of 2019, the forum database crashed again. The database was saved, however the VB4 interface unable to be recovered. Again due to no available admins, as well as the costs to independently host the forum, the forum was rolled over and became hosted by VBulletin, who now complete all the back-end updates etc. Now there is only a single active administrator with restricted access to parts in the backend (me).

                      So if you take into account the general downturn in the motorcycle industry, understandable ease of interface and ability to ignore people you don't agree with / like provided by facebook, change in lifestyle of the majority of previous users due to age, seniority of positions at work, kids & marriage, as well as the change in the forum itself due to lack of maintenance / support at the back end, you get to where we are now.

                      Could it be recovered? I think with the concerted efforts of a lot of people over a few years, it quite possibly could, but I'm passively waiting for people to do more than ask "what happened, I don't like what it is now", and instead start saying "How can I help get it back to what it was". Will people be happy to wait for that to occur over a period of time, or get disenchanted within 3, 6 or 12 months?

                      The intent right now is to continue supporting the cost of the forum side of PSB for an additional 12 months. If the income through supporter /sponsor subscriptions or sales of some sort doesn't improve over the next 12 months so that I don't continue to pay it out of my own pocket, the forum will be shut down, and PSB will just become a page and group on facebook.
                      Well thanks for that Tim. The PSB that I came to know and love was such a thriving and amazing community, but for so many reasons has slowed down so much. Apart from posting and leading rides more frequently, How can I help?
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                      • #12
                        BlackFZR Tim, How can I help ?
                        I cant help it if your perceptions don't match my reality


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                        • #13
                          Would it help if people post more stuff?

                          Obviously quite a few check in now and then.
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                          • #14
                            Tim's last paragraph sums things up regarding the site's future, and posting doesn't generate revenue in itself.
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                            • #15
                              One thing that I was thinking as I was reading through, was where are all the ladies now?
                              Most of the others that were active when I was, have all married (ironically to PSBers 🙄) and spawned a couple of children and no longer ride.
                              So there has absolutely been a change in circumstances. In quite a few situations, two reasonably active singles have dropped off to become a bike inactive fam.
                              We still both lurk on the peripheral but don’t ride anymore due to Gordan’s accident. He can’t and doesn’t want me to and I can understand and respect that.
                              We do still socialise here at times but work, kids, life, blah blah blah makes it infrequent.
                              I need to make a point to check in more often 🙂
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