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  • Is speeding by more than 45km/r over stupid?

    I think that it's not neccesarily stupid. Yes of course there are times it is, I think that (for example) a road with no side roads, with little traffic (cause of location of time of day) is a safe enough place to do big speed without hurting yourself or endangering anyone else.

    My big gripe is that people seem to just accept that they were 'stupid' or accept that others were stupid just because the law says so. So I think that we should never accept that someone is doing something dangerous or stupid just because they are posting 150km'r plus figures.

    I think the arbitrary "speed by this much equals this traffic conviction" is a bad, bad policy, and that people don't think enough when they accept the government propaganda.

    Or am I wrong? And everyone who does more than 40km/r over is stupid because the law says so, or because you believe that its always wrong to do more than 40 km/hr over.
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    No, but more than 100k's over always is.
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    Yes, always. Because the law says.
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    Yes always, because I believe it.
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    Last edited by resist; 19-07-2009, 01:10 PM.
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    It's all about relative risk. Yes, it is more dangerous, but then again so are countless other forms of behaviour on the road.

    Speeding is the easiest to police, so it gets all the attantion.

    Managing fatigue, awareness or competency can't be done by a muppet with a laser gun, they just focus on the easy to enforce (and the most lucrative)
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    • #3
      Speed doesn't kill...

      Lack of skill and attention does...

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      • #4
        Excessive speeding is only "stupid" if the speed being done is beyond the capabilities of the vehicle and the operator.

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        • #5
          my argument is you cant know your not endangering someone else. Do you know there no kangaroo up the road? this is my gripe. It will prob get me banned


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          • #6
            Revelations - Refer to my previous. Who cares about kangaroos? If the vehicle and operator are capable of the speed a roo is not going to be a problem.

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            • #7
              Nah I dont think its stupid, but like you said, time and place. If you are doing 150km/h on St Georges Tce in peak hour then i would say thats pretty stupid as your chance of crashing and hurting/killing someone is VERY high. If you are out in the country with a good road, no people around, good conditions, and a mechanically sound bike, then why not? I dont think its stupid at all.

              Its all about using your common sense.
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              • #8
                I can see where you're going with this one and to add (some) support to your words I think there's a time and a place. Without adding liability (and, of course no condoning) "a time and a place" would be defined as:

                - Somewhere under the supervision or instruction of a trainer
                - A road that you know well with good weather and road conditions.
                - A road with a plain view of site for (give or take) 10m off the tarmac, both sides. (skippy rule)

                Blasting at 110 through a school zone at 2:30 isn't a good idea. There is an increased risk of hurting yourself or more importantly someone else. Old school rules: fk your own shit up, your fault. fk someone elses shit up, your fault.



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                • #9
                  Kangaroo isn't a person, and that kangaroo will do exactly the same amount of damage at 80 or 100k's an hour. In fact, you're probably more likely to keep your bike upright and go through the thing at 200!

                  But let me give you another example... let's say for example someone is on a straight road, lets say, the Great Northern Highway, can see for 3 kilometres, is doing 250 with the throttle nailed, in the middle of a weekday, with no vehicles around, and a cop comes over the horizon and pings you, you'll be done for reckless, outright, even though none of the usual tests apply. That's fucked up.

                  I understand your argument, ive heard it before, the point is, there is a level of risk that is always present, to do big speed does not automatically mean you're taking on more risk in a reckless way. Regardelss of what the cop ads on TV tell you.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Flamedance View Post
                    Revelations - Refer to my previous. Who cares about kangaroos? If the vehicle and operator are capable of the speed a roo is not going to be a problem.
                    Ok, so at the point where the speed traveled exceeds the vehicle and operator capabilities, you could call that 'excessive speed', no?
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                    • #11
                      It all comes down to time and place

                      speed doesn't kill, you can die at 80kmh or 200kmh

                      people who cant drive at speed for lack of ability does

                      but this is W.A.

                      i need someone to tell me whats safe or not don't i?

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                      • #12
                        The speed limits are catering for the worst driver in the worst vehicle in the worst conditions... dumbing us down. boo that

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                        • #13
                          The poll seems restrictive - its pretty obvious that no one is going to answer with an initial 'yes', and very few will answer that over 100kmh is ALWAYS stupid - so the plain 'no' answer is going to win in a land slide.

                          EDIT: as I can see now that I voted and can view results. haha.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 4 View Post
                            Ok, so at the point where the speed traveled exceeds the vehicle and operator capabilities, you could call that 'excessive speed', no?
                            Exactly - In some cases that means some people should not go over 60! Or be allowed to be in control of a vehicle at all.

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                            • #15
                              Regardless of ability and conditions, you can never fully account for the other idiots on the road
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