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    Attention microsoft users.

    Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough but I can't seem to find out exactly where or who are the independant testers for Microsoft certification in Perth.

    I'm looking at doing a self-paced MCAD or MCSD (I don't have 8 big ones to do a course and I'm not even employed in IT yet. Useful degree that's proven to be so far...)

    How often are these exams held ?

    Anyone else here gone down this path?

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  • #2
    Attention microsoft users.
    ummm... thats just about everyone. (even a lot of computer illiterate ones)

    MS Certification! ???? :o

    Why???? - Do you want to be able to park in the disabled bays?

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    • #3
      Xphread, settle down. He's obviously asking for help... not ridicule.
      If you can... you MUST!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Klink@Feb 4 2005, 09:37 PM
        Xphread, settle down. He's obviously asking for help... not ridicule.
        Sorry Mr Mod.
        Just cant let a MS bash go past!

        no offense meant!

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        • #5
          And to think I was putting some kinda harrassment disclaimer at the beginning of my post but decided against it .

          For future posts, suggested piss-takings are "microsoft is greedy and selfish" , "micro$oft is bad" and "I disapprove of microsoft". And feel free to point out the general low standard of my mental prowess.
          www.sortbycorruptiondate.com

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          • #6
            And i thought we were safe here in 'geeks corner'

            HOW WRONG I WAS

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            • #7
              Originally posted by savo@Feb 6 2005, 09:34 PM
              And i thought we were safe here in 'geeks corner'

              HOW WRONG I WAS*
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              What do you mean by 'we' ???

              You dont have to be a MS lackey to be a geek.

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              • #8
                I seem to recall there being a TAFE course that dealt with MS certification ... I think you only had to pay the usual TAFE fees which are no where near as much as the usual fees to do the certification. I'm not too sure if they still do it though (it may have been a 1 off thing)

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                • #9

                  HandsOn in Oz Park, do both training and the testing for MCSE or MSCE or what ever the fuck it is...

                  *brain is fucked from last 3 nights of drugs and alchohol fueled rampage


                  MSCE is great is you wanna waste 5k on training anf them 2.5k on testing to get a job with an employer who knows fuck all about what they are employing you for .... which is i suppose 90% of IT jobs outside of an IT specific comany.

                  I did the 5k course.... it taught me fuck all i didnt already know... oh but it taught me binary again, which i then promptly forgot again.

                  If you dont have any IT experience and want an IT job (fuck knows why you do I hate IT i enjoyed labouring with mates more when i was 17)

                  then MCSE etc might be a far leap, but is do-able... depending on your age and what you want to do in IT, you'd be better with some technician type courses etc, then maybe a networking course and then maybe just some MS Server type courses to help you along?

                  Its all much of a muchness and pretty fucked... all people i know who have decent IT jobs never have held any certs and are self taught. But IT has changed cos every man and his dog is an expert these days.... i can in.. stell... win... dowes and now im like an expert and full leet.

                  oh it it's always fun to tease a uni student who has done computer science and cant get a job because he is so much of a nerdy geek fucking introvert he cant socialise with people.


                  my 2 cents.

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                  • #10
                    I've found that MS certification largely depends on the kind of job you want. I take it from the kind of cert your doing you want to go into software development.

                    Unless you want to go further than being a coding monkey, I seriously wouldn&#39;t bother with a degree these days... I&#39;ve found it can be helpful to know all that theory stuff they teach you, but it&#39;s not absolutely necessary. Although in saying that, the Comp Sci degree at ECU has changed considerably since I first did it. You can now do certification as part of your degree. And all it costs is a whopping great HECS debt that you will probably spend the rest of your life paying off <_< I hear Alphawest has quite a large testing centre in St Georges Tce and they run them pretty frequently. Costs about $250 for each test last time I looked but that was quite some time ago...

                    My biggest gripe is that so many employers know nothing about certification and just say "I WANT AN MCSE OR AN MCP" even if they want a software developer!!! Say MCAD or MCSD to one of these fools and they say "No I want an MCSE".......idiots.......


                    I would tend to agree with subdued though...IT is a pretty messed up industry at the moment... Everything pretty much went downhill around 2000-2001 after the dot-com burst and Y2K. And yes, every man and his dog is now an expert so these days it&#39;s not about what you know and what you&#39;ve done....it&#39;s all about who you know and who you&#39;ve done. So the moral of the story is don&#39;t waste your hard earned $$$ on a cert and just go find some IT manager&#39;s daughter and screw her like your career depended on it!!!!

                    Well that&#39;s my 2 cents but then I&#39;m very cynical...

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                    • #11

                      yer sybarus is on the mark, sorry i didnt read the first post right about the developer courses, coffee and a couple of hours to wake up does wonders.

                      Most companys will always employee MS certs because it&#39;s all they know... hell i have never bothered to teach myself Linux simmply because it my field of work (im an evil IT manager) theres no point me knowing it... but if i was to hire a monkey to help me out i would be looking for infield experience over certs... tho that probably doesnt help you out with no experience...

                      my best recommendation.... work out what you want to do... then look at what employeer&#39;s advertise for, then get those certs.. but then also learn how do actually do what your job entiles....

                      for example... 99% of MCSE people wouldnt know thier dick from a wan interface.

                      wha.. the modems IP is 192.168.0.1 what this 203 number the firewall wants.

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                      • #12
                        Cheers for the replies Sybarus and Subdued , it&#39;s good to have some kind of input from people in the industry ...

                        I&#39;ve dropped the idea of getting a development cert and aimed for Server 2003 System Admin instead . It ain&#39;t programming like I really want but it seems to be a better in .

                        I see that most people in IT are very cynical about the state of the industry .

                        However , I currently work in supermarket retail , The Worst Industry That Exists . The only thing worse than getting up at 1am everyday and stacking apples is getting paid minumum wage to do it .

                        So I&#39;m very keen to jump ship into an industry other than retail because , however bad it is , it&#39;s better than what I am doing and cannot , by definition , possibly pay less .

                        And after slogging away at that degree part time for the last God knows how many years (I&#39;m 25 now) I&#39;m damn sure gonna try to use it some way or another (or at least get a job that will be aided by it).

                        Of course if I do somehow get a job in IT eventually I guess I&#39;ll end up as jaded as you guys but at least retail will be a horrible distant memeory by then ...

                        Cheers

                        Lee

                        www.sortbycorruptiondate.com

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sarcasmatron@Feb 14 2005, 04:45 PM
                          Cheers for the replies Sybarus and Subdued , it&#39;s good to have some kind of input from people in the industry ...

                          I&#39;ve dropped the idea of getting a development cert and aimed for Server 2003 System Admin instead . It ain&#39;t programming like I really want but it seems to be a better in .

                          I see that most people in IT are very cynical about the state of the industry .

                          However , I currently work in supermarket retail , The Worst Industry That Exists . The only thing worse than getting up at 1am everyday and stacking apples is getting paid minumum wage to do it .

                          So I&#39;m very keen to jump ship into an industry other than retail because , however bad it is , it&#39;s better than what I am doing and cannot , by definition , possibly pay less .

                          And after slogging away at that degree part time for the last God knows how many years (I&#39;m 25 now) I&#39;m damn sure gonna try to use it some way or another (or at least get a job that will be aided by it).

                          Of course if I do somehow get a job in IT eventually I guess I&#39;ll end up as jaded as you guys but at least retail will be a horrible distant memeory by then ...

                          Cheers

                          Lee
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                          I was wasting my life wearing a blue uniform so I decided to jump ship to IT. I&#39;ve always loved computers and after talking to a number of people about various courses uni, MCSE, CCNA, CCNP etc etc I ended up doing a computer science degree at ECU.

                          I did very well (HD average) and found I was very good at coding. Problem was I don&#39;t really think I wanted to do it for a job.

                          I tried Sybarus&#39;s idea and shagged and IT manager&#39;s daughter, but she turned out to be a vet and now I&#39;m managing her hospital

                          I did try and get a job for a couple months last year and the biggest problem was that they wanted "graduates with experience". HELLOOOOOOOO COCKHEADS...GRADUATES WITH EXPERIENCE??? However, I did end up getting offered two jobs but I turned them down for the vet

                          Moral of the story is that if you&#39;re good at what you do you will get a job. The experience thing is always a problem but you&#39;ll pick something up along the way.

                          Don&#39;t just go get a MCSE cause every monkey and his dog has one and they&#39;re worth shit in 2 years when Micro$oft update.

                          Another thing I found was that for the decent IT jobs they now require tertiary IT qualifications (along with experience).

                          Heh, like one job (and I know only the geeks will get this one) they wanted 3+ years experence in C#. This was last year.

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                          • #14
                            *points up to Melkor&#39;s post*

                            Wise man that one. In the long run it would be best to get a full degree instead of being certified in something or other. A finished degree will leave you with a much broader choice of jobs in the end.

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                            • #15
                              Heh, like one job (and I know only the geeks will get this one) they wanted 3+ years experence in C#. This was last year.

                              HAHAHAHA

                              *sigh*

                              I get it, and I think I might now slit my wrists!
                              Nitrous is like a hot girl with STD's, you know you wanna hit it, but you are afraid of the consequences!

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