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    ROGUE police are being caught breaking the law at a rate of more than one a week.

    The breaches include serious crimes such as multiple assaults, sex attacks, thefts, threats to kill, firearms offences, burglary, stalking, child pornography and drug offences.

    And four officers a week on average are caught failing to do their duty, with more than 2000 public complaints against police being proved in eight years.

    Victorians also are paying a high price, with 373 suspended officers paid more than $15 million in the past decade.

    Almost one officer a month had assault complaints against them upheld in eight years to 2009.

    Twenty-five serious and 56 minor assault complaints proven included officers striking, choking, kicking, manhandling, pushing and spitting at people.

    Other substantiated complaints include hundreds of incidents of cops behaving badly - making threats, indecent behaviour, abuse, being aggressive, insulting, harassing and behaving improperly.

    Victoria Police has refused to release details of recent complaints under Freedom of Information laws or say how many complaints it receives.

    The revelations have sparked fresh calls for a review of how police complaints are handled.

    "You're complaining to the very people you have a problem with. It's the fox watching the hen house," said Law Institute Victoria president Caroline Counsel.

    "You can complain to the ombudsman, the Office of Police Integrity or the police (but) all investigations should be independent of the police."

    Ms Counsel said the lack of full disclosure made the data impossible to interpret.

    "We're not getting a clear picture of what's going on," she said. "Are these the same rotten officers in the barrel committing these offences?"

    The Victorian Ombudsman received 1000 complaints about Victoria Police in 2009-10, most of which were referred to the OPI.

    Of the 712 complaints against police received by the OPI in 2009-10, more than two-thirds (493) were referred back to police.

    Just 10 were investigated by the OPI, with 23 still under assessment and 268 complaints found to be outside the OPI's jurisdiction or "not warranting investigation".

    The force said it encouraged complaints and had a history of disciplining members and laying criminal charges when appropriate.

    "If the OPI refers matters to the police for investigation and complainants are not satisfied with the outcome they can make further approaches to the OPI," a spokesman said.

    The data was released to the Herald Sun by Victoria Police outside the FoI laws.

    Rats in ranks caught committing crimes | Herald Sun
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  • #2
    Originally posted by SYLO View Post
    ROGUE police are being caught breaking the law at a rate of more than one a week.

    The data was released to the Herald Sun by Victoria Police outside the FoI laws.

    Rats in ranks caught committing crimes | Herald Sun
    If you consider this statistic is based on a group of over 11,000 it doesn't sound that bad.
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    • #3
      doesnt matter how professional an organisation is, always going to have bad eggs.

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      • #4
        So where are you going with this Sylo? Is this another FTW thread? Do you have a specific gripe against all police officers or just a few run ins with individual officers? Not all police officers are bent, arrogant arseholes (have met one or two who make the latter category though) and although I have no evidence to back this up I would suggest that only a small percentage partake in illegal activities. We would be naive to think that corruption at some level does not exist in any of our police services (or government departments) as members are recruited from the community. Does our legal system need to change, I think it does. Do we need to invest more money into recruitment and training of officers, undoubtedly yes. Will this stop police officers from making bad judgement calls in split second instances, no it won't but it may reduce the amount of poor judgement calls and equip them with knowledge and skills to perform their duties to a level that is both legally and socially acceptable.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by huggy View Post
          doesnt matter how professional an organisation is, always going to have bad eggs.
          I have to agree with huggy, nothing will ever prevent this, we are human and all susceptable to internal and external influences.

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          • #6
            No Colonel, and Darkfibre, all that needs to happen is an independent complaints bureau set up, so that dodgey cop practices aren't investigated by their equally dodgey mates. Cops are awarded certain powers, necessary to do their jobs, and when they abuse those powers, there is no consequence. That's the issue. Ultimately, all those 'judgment' calls that are allowed to go by the keeper are the ones that see you cop an unfair yellow sticker, a bullshit traffic fine or some other bullshit charge.

            Meanwhile, foolish, naive idiots bark at anyone clever enough to think critically and criticise police. There is a difference between respecting the need for police to exist, and blindly obeying their every command, or blindly dismissing their many abuses of power.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by resist View Post
              No Colonel, and Darkfibre, all that needs to happen is an independent complaints bureau set up, so that dodgey cop practices aren't investigated by their equally dodgey mates. Cops are awarded certain powers, necessary to do their jobs, and when they abuse those powers, there is no consequence. That's the issue. Ultimately, all those 'judgment' calls that are allowed to go by the keeper are the ones that see you cop an unfair yellow sticker, a bullshit traffic fine or some other bullshit charge.

              Meanwhile, foolish, naive idiots bark at anyone clever enough to think critically and criticise police. There is a difference between respecting the need for police to exist, and blindly obeying their every command, or blindly dismissing their many abuses of power.
              resist you do realise that the internal investigations division within the police conducts the bulk of these investigations? They are totally separate from all other divisions of the police service and are reviled by all police officers. The witch hunts, I mean investigations these officers conduct are thoroughly intensive and sometimes overzealous. I don't believe it would be possible to have a truely independant complaints bureau as it would be filled with 'do gooders' or other individuals all wanting to add their element of moral bias to the equation.
              We have a system in place that is not perfect but all we can do is support that system and support change to improve the processes therein.
              Last edited by Colonel; 23-04-2011, 01:15 PM.

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              • #8
                In my experience, IA are MORE than happy to get people sacked/suspended for almost anything...
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Colonel View Post
                  resist you do realise that the internal investigations division within the police conducts the bulk of these investigations?
                  Got figures? Every complaint I've ever seen levelled against police never made it through the first phase, which is a senior cop at the station deciding whether or not to escalate it.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by resist View Post
                    Got figures? Every complaint I've ever seen levelled against police never made it through the first phase, which is a senior cop at the station deciding whether or not to escalate it.
                    There's your problem, you need to report complaints to the obudsman not at a police station. This isn't to say that you can't do it as you have but you will get more satisfaction going to the ombudsman or even writing a letter of complaint to the Commisioner of Police.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Colonel View Post
                      There's your problem, you need to report complaints to the obudsman not at a police station. This isn't to say that you can't do it as you have but you will get more satisfaction going to the ombudsman or even writing a letter of complaint to the Commisioner of Police.
                      It's cute when people pretend they know what they're on about. From: NSW Police - NSW Ombudsman

                      Most complaints about police are handled by the NSW Police Force.
                      Our role is to independently oversee and review the way in which police deal with the more serious of these complaints and to make sure that they handle your complaint fairly and effectively. Generally, we are required to refer complaints about police officers to the NSW Police Force for action even when they are made directly to the Ombudsman. Only in special circumstances do we conduct an investigation directly.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by resist View Post
                        It's cute when people pretend they know what they're on about. From: NSW Police - NSW Ombudsman
                        I think we have a jurisdictional gap here as I am refering to processes in Western Australia not NSW. The process is similar but the ombusdman requests that you attempt to resolve the issue with the department first i.e. lodge or attempt to lodge a complaint at a police station then if you do not receive satisfaction lodge a complaint with them. After that they follow their investigation processes... Have a look at Ombudsman Western Australiafor further details and see the links on the left hand side to direct you to 'Handling your complaint'. They do not hand the investigation back to the department, they request information but handle the inquiry. I have heard that internals have been involved in ombudsman inquiries but thats only hearsay.

                        Still think I'm being cute and pretending?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Was that so hard to write? View Post
                          In my experience, IA are MORE than happy to get people sacked/suspended for almost anything...
                          have to agree with this as long as your complaint hits far enough up the ladder to give the lower rungs a shake you would be surprised at the veracity of the investigation and prosecution from the "internal" mechanism.

                          in 95 i had a complaint taken seriously to the point that i was invited to assist in further inquiries, ended up in a meeting with a couple of senior officers to ask if the punishment they were about to administer was satisfactory, they were going to dismiss him over a bit of bullying, i didn't want to see someone out of a job over a personality clash so the alternative of transferring him was offered. This could have been their intention from the start and the threat of him being dismissed to make them look good in my eyes but i doubt it, they had a series of charges written up involving fraud etc.

                          He went in for his meeting and was given the news, 2 days later i was pulled over again by him, major change in attitude and personal apology so i wished him luck in his new job in albany, haven't seen him since.

                          To clarify, my complaint was over a series of fines for careless driving or not displaying P plates as well as a yellow sticker, i had the P plate displayed but the bottom was smashed off from doing wheelies, the problem was he knew i was doing wheelies but could never catch me which made him mad, but i was actually doing them offroad so my attitude of "you can't charge me for something you can't prove" aggravated the situation.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Colonel View Post
                            Still think I'm being cute and pretending?
                            Yes, for the simple reason that in WA, complaints about the actions of police are not dealt with by the ombudsman at all. The ombudsman in WA only deals with complaints about administration.

                            From the link you posted:

                            Assessment

                            If you are not sure whether the Ombudsman can deal with your complaint then contact us.
                            We look at all complaints we receive to see if they are within the Ombudsman's jurisdiction.
                            The key matters we consider are:
                            • Do we have the authority to investigate the public authority you are complaining about?
                            • Is your complaint about a matter of administration*?


                            From: https://legalaid.wa.gov.au/InfoAbout...Complaints.xml

                            • By complaining in person or over the phone to the Officer in Charge at the local police station or the police district office
                            • By writing to the Police Complaints Administration Centre Level 10, Septimus Roe Square, 256 Adelaide Terrace, Perth WA 6000
                            • By telephoning the Police Complaints Administration Centre (08) 9223 1000
                            • By emailing the Police Complaints Administration Centre
                            • By telephoning the Internal Affairs Unit Tel: (08) 9223 1038 (08) 9223 1051A copy of the complaint to the Commissioner of Police is sent to the Crime and Corruption Commission (CCC) and so you may receive letters from the CCC.
                            • By notifying the Corruption and Crime Commission of Western Australia
                              186 St George's Terrace Perth WA
                              PO Box 7667 Cloisters Square Perth WA 6850
                              Tel: (08) 9215 4888 ask for the Complaints Assessment Unit
                              Tollfree: 1800 809 000
                              Fax: (08) 9215 4884
                              Email: [email protected]
                              Click here to go to the Corruption and Crime Commission website section How to make a Complaint about a Public Officer or here to download a complaint formYou can make a anonymous complaint to the Commmission

                            Click here for a WA Police brochure on Making a Police Complaint and here for more information on how your complaint will be dealt with by the police

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                            • #15
                              Happy to bow to your prowess at google. I find it interesting and conflicting though that I have always been referred to the ombudsman for lodging complaints. After looking at the legal aid website this is probably a result of the issue always being with their administrative process. Either that of they just put it in the too hard basket.

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