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  • #46
    Originally posted by Skut View Post
    Kind of ironic for an island nation that is usually paranoid about agricultural quarantines. GM was simply invited in...
    We will not be able to feed our growing global population without GM.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Thomas Peel View Post
      I now only use butter instead of margarine because I don't know what canola oil seed is used, whether it is gm or not. Plus margarine is only one molecule away from plastic.
      Tp.
      Did you know that 85 percent of your genes are the same as those of a...
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      zebra fish
      ?

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      Originally posted by Shady7/8 View Post
      I support GM in principle, but this ownership of licenced product, and cross contamination leading to the GM licenced farmer now owning their neighbours product due to cross contamination...? That is wrong on so many levels.
      Take it a step further and the amount of pesticides required to grow GM makes it particularly nasty to the environment. Add to that the levels of neocitinoids that kill bees. Without bees we die.

      In relation to GM contamination...
      Erm... the whole idea of many GM crops is that they can be grown without the use of toxic pesticides.

      Roundup Ready canola means that weeds can be controlled with Roundup which is of extremely low toxicity when compared with herbicides used in the old days e.g Sprayseed.

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      Originally posted by Aufitt View Post
      Instead of Monsanto selling the chemicals to grow the seed, they sell the seed that doesn't require the chemicals.

      They iz smarter than us.
      The thing I hate Monsanto for is selling seed to African nations that does not allow a subsistence farmer to harvest seed for next year's crop.

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      Originally posted by Trashed View Post
      Hopefully Tasmania will keep it's GM ban indefinitely, as previously indicated by their state government. It may prove to be a very shrewd move.
      They won't last because they won't remain competitive. Unless they decide to be a "mom and pop" state with no exports
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      • #48
        Originally posted by agrid View Post
        We will not be able to feed our growing global population without GM.
        Why? After a couple of decades and billions of dollars they have not come up with an improvement that can't be done by alternative non-GM means. But if food is short globally, an American company called Monsanto gets to decide who gets it and at what price.
        Lol... OK, so I can't get out on my bike at the moment and am bored and a bit passionate about this topic. Will give you a break
        Life is NOT a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: "Wahoo!! What a ride!"

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        • #49
          Originally posted by agrid View Post
          We will not be able to feed our growing global population without GM.
          Cull the growing Population
          What You See

          Isn't always what you get

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          • #50
            Originally posted by GSX IN SHED View Post
            So.... you purchase Genetically Modified seed ( from Monsanto?)

            OR.......Of all the seed you have stored/nurtured...And selected over years of trial and error.

            You choose the strongest / most likely to survive / earliest to harvest and use herbicides/pesticides/chemical fertilisers and treated water.

            And sell it blithely to the general public,for year after year....and suddenly you have the opportunity to make a larger profit, by reducing herbicides and chemicals. to gain

            The organic stamp of approval.............

            What do you do?

            Hypothetically...of course...?
            People have been genetically modifying things for hundreds of years, look at dogs. The thing is plant breeding is a very slow process and new GM techniques can speed up breeding programs to years instead of hundreds of year. Having said that, I get a bad feeling about putting fish genes in tomatoes or whatever it was that they did.

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            Originally posted by Wahoo View Post
            GM is genetically modified where a gene is inserted into the DNA of tens of thousands of genes of the plant. It involves cross-kingdom breeding and normally bacteria with plant but can be human genes to plant etc.

            The other common one is Bt where the gene is taken from a pesticide and it makes the plant produce the pesticide in the plant so it kills budworm and bollworm in cotton and corn. This explains the "less chemicals" promotion as the plant produces it. Unfortunately you can't wash it out of the food though..
            So Bt is a pesticide now?
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            • #51
              Happy to answer questions though.
              Originally posted by agrid View Post
              People have been genetically modifying things for hundreds of years, look at dogs. The thing is plant breeding is a very slow process and new GM techniques can speed up breeding programs to years instead of hundreds of year. Having said that, I get a bad feeling about putting fish genes in tomatoes or whatever it was that they did.
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              So Bt is a pesticide now?
              Just a correction, the name itself is misleading. GM is not only about modifying genes, it is a specific technique involving isolating and inserting a gene. The speeding up of plant breeding is biotechnology and there are heaps of different non-GM varieties incorporating that.
              Yes. "A pesticide is any substance used to kill, repel, or control certain forms of plant or animal life that are considered to be pests." It is originally derived from an organic pesticide and makes the plant kill budworm and bollworm.
              The points everyone has raised here are very normal as the misinformation is huge to promote it. The reason I got involved in the GM debate to start with was to counter the huge amount of misleading rubbish that came with it.
              Life is NOT a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: "Wahoo!! What a ride!"

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              • #52
                Originally posted by agrid View Post
                We will not be able to feed our growing global population without GM.
                Its helped 3rd world countries grow Bananas, without it they'd starve.

                Has anyone died of GM food?

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Aufitt View Post
                  Has anyone died of GM food?
                  Yes
                  Do you remember the good old days before the internet?

                  when arguments were only entered into by the physically or intellectually able.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by filbert View Post
                    Yes
                    Do I have more chance of dying in a firey auto crash?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Wahoo View Post
                      Happy to answer questions though.

                      Just a correction, the name itself is misleading. GM is not only about modifying genes, it is a specific technique involving isolating and inserting a gene. The speeding up of plant breeding is biotechnology and there are heaps of different non-GM varieties incorporating that.
                      Yes. "A pesticide is any substance used to kill, repel, or control certain forms of plant or animal life that are considered to be pests." It is originally derived from an organic pesticide and makes the plant kill budworm and bollworm.
                      The points everyone has raised here are very normal as the misinformation is huge to promote it. The reason I got involved in the GM debate to start with was to counter the huge amount of misleading rubbish that came with it.
                      Bt is a naturally occurring organism that kills moths. Tree frogs are naturally occurring organisms that kill moths. So, by your definition, tree frogs are a pesticide.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Aufitt View Post
                        Its helped 3rd world countries grow Bananas, without it they'd starve.

                        Has anyone died of GM food?
                        Some people prefer not to eat food with DNA in it. Perhaps that's because of the risk they may pass DNA onto their children.

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                        Originally posted by filbert View Post
                        Yes
                        That guy that at all them cheese burgers right?
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Aufitt View Post
                          Do I have more chance of dying in a firey auto crash?
                          Yes.

                          But if the odds are against you then you're just as dead.
                          Do you remember the good old days before the internet?

                          when arguments were only entered into by the physically or intellectually able.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by agrid View Post
                            That guy that at all them cheese burgers right?
                            From memory it was a tomato and he was allergic to fish...
                            Do you remember the good old days before the internet?

                            when arguments were only entered into by the physically or intellectually able.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by agrid View Post
                              People have been genetically modifying things for hundreds of years, look at dogs. The thing is plant breeding is a very slow process and new GM techniques can speed up breeding programs to years instead of hundreds of year. Having said that, I get a bad feeling about putting fish genes in tomatoes or whatever it was that they did.
                              Yes, and a few generations or a century or two usually prove if that gradual cross-breeding is viable or not. As was mentioned before WELL MEANING scientists introduced species into an ecosystem they had the arrogance to think they fully understood - we all know how that turned out.

                              Personally I am uneasy about a for-profit organisation tweaking genes in a monopoly effort affecting food crops worldwide.

                              It's not about whether it's safe to eat, it's more about the future viability of those crops as opposed to those that have survived over the centuries and evolved their own survival mechanisms. A large variety of wheat stocks (for example) offers far greater food security than a single variety that could be wiped out by a single pest or climactic change - any push to REDUCE that natural diversity is simply dangerous (and likely driven by profits).
                              Last edited by Skut; 17-03-2015, 08:34 PM.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by filbert View Post
                                Yes.

                                But if the odds are against you then you're just as dead.
                                Then Homer Simpson and I will die quickly, happy and well fed instead of starving.

                                *And not of depression which is the outcome of those involved in this WA GM debarcle.

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