Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Are we headed for totalitarian rule?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #46
    Originally posted by INTJ View Post

    The confederate flag and war monuments celebrating 1800's soldiers are all hot topics in USA and they're relevant to current arguments, yet slavery of the same era is 'living in the past, dude!'? Maybe you don't quite get the context in which a lot of the shit-fest is coming about? Either way point taken, motorcycle forum.
    True, maybe I don't quite get the context but you boys have clearly learnt absolutely nothing from it . Even Germany and Russia, by Putins own words in around 2005 have "by a miracle now reconciled past events".

    So tell me INTJ, when you lived here in what you would now call "socialist" Perth society. Did you receive any family assistance payments or any other government assistance? part A or B. Did your child go to a subsidized daycare, did you have any reason to visit a bulk billing doctor or use one of our completely free and very good world standard healthcare system for any reason whatsoever? Did your employer pay you any superannuation? Did you have 4 weeks paid leave, did you have recognized sickness leave. Were you on a decent living wage also? Either you or the missus have Parental leave or paid maternity leave ? Did you feel safe?

    Perth over the last 20 years has the land of opportunity and the the destination for dreamers looking to get "rich quick" from things like real estate, mining and the locals and many have and still do. A place for big boys toys like yachts and jetskis and powerboats and a very high rate of home ownership and investment. A true home of capitalism by any standard, yet we have free healthcare. It just doesn't make sense does it??

    but, you know, motorcycle forum.





    I cant help it if your perceptions don't match my reality


    Comment


    • #47
      This is a great country but it's heading in the same direction as the neoliberal Americans & we are currently getting a frightening prospect of what could happen here if we continue down this path.

      Having to pay taxes is not always a bad thing, it means you get to have all of the above. I feel for the young ones who are faced with working in the gig economy where all the cards are held by the employers, it's like going back to 19th C working conditions in some ways.

      Comment


      • #48
        Originally posted by Heretic View Post

        True, maybe I don't quite get the context but you boys have clearly learnt absolutely nothing from it . Even Germany and Russia, by Putins own words in around 2005 have "by a miracle now reconciled past events".

        So tell me INTJ, when you lived here in what you would now call "socialist" Perth society. Did you receive any family assistance payments or any other government assistance? part A or B. Did your child go to a subsidized daycare, did you have any reason to visit a bulk billing doctor or use one of our completely free and very good world standard healthcare system for any reason whatsoever? Did your employer pay you any superannuation? Did you have 4 weeks paid leave, did you have recognized sickness leave. Were you on a decent living wage also? Either you or the missus have Parental leave or paid maternity leave ? Did you feel safe?

        Perth over the last 20 years has the land of opportunity and the the destination for dreamers looking to get "rich quick" from things like real estate, mining and the locals and many have and still do. A place for big boys toys like yachts and jetskis and powerboats and a very high rate of home ownership and investment. A true home of capitalism by any standard, yet we have free healthcare. It just doesn't make sense does it??

        but, you know, motorcycle forum.




        That’s because we pay a liveable wage, if it wasn’t for mining I would hate to see what everyone would be doing for work.
        "Some people are like clouds. When they disappear it's a beautiful day"

        Comment


        • #49
          ...

          Comment


          • #50
            Originally posted by Skut View Post


            Even more sad is the playing out of this mentality with gun-toting vigilantes in response to protests in the US with apparent support of the police, resulting in even more deaths - the sort of thing that is reported in "third world" dictatorships as "pro-government militias". It's insane.
            You call looting and burning cars/buildings protests? Some call this riots.

            You call the people trying to protect property vigilantes? Have you considered they have the support of the police because they are helping the police, not attacking them?

            Originally posted by Crim View Post
            This is a great country but it's heading in the same direction as the neoliberal Americans & we are currently getting a frightening prospect of what could happen here if we continue down this path.

            Having to pay taxes is not always a bad thing, it means you get to have all of the above. I feel for the young ones who are faced with working in the gig economy where all the cards are held by the employers, it's like going back to 19th C working conditions in some ways.
            Once China stashes away enough iron and stops buying more, we will be in trouble and our society may indeed begin to look like the USA.

            The gig economy is BS. Doesn't pay super, no insurance, sick leave etc. It is the pointy end of Capitalism ..... welcome to the jungle!

            Comment


            • #51
              Originally posted by datsikk View Post

              You call looting and burning cars/buildings protests? Some call this riots.

              You call the people trying to protect property vigilantes? Have you considered they have the support of the police because they are helping the police, not attacking them?

              No, I don't. There is a clear distinction between the two.

              https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/

              The vast majority of Black Lives Matter protests—more than 93%—have been peaceful, according to a new report published Thursday by a nonprofit that researches political violence and protests across the world.

              The Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project (ACLED) analyzed more than 7,750 Black Lives Matter demonstrations in all 50 states and Washington D.C. that took place in the wake of George Floyd’s death between May 26 and August 22.
              In many cases the violence and property damage has been instigated by people from outside the region and of suspect motivations/affiliations. The good old "Boogaloo Bois" have been implicated in a few instances (plain old racist anarchists trying to create a race-war Charlie Manson style). Fox has already been called out for using doctored images of burning cars and buildings from events completely unrelated incidents NOT EVEN IN THE USA to add to the narrative of hysteria.

              If the police were so concerned about keeping the peace then maybe they would stop gunning people down as a first response? Maybe they wouldn't have patrol cars with Punisher skull logos and "Blue Lives Matter" plastered all over them (that was in Kentucky in 2017, which were eventually removed - so this is not new or a recent reaction).

              Maybe they wouldn't turn up to a mental health crisis call with guns blazing...

              https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54041549
              A 13-year-old boy in Glendale, Utah, was shot several times by police officers after his mother called 911 for help with his mental health crisis.
              And people in that kind of climate are expected to trust the police?

              You know, you claim to be interested and concerned about this stuff but you seem to be informed by bloggers and the odd video but do little due diligence to check the source of your info or cross-check it's veracity. You have your own prefered conclusion and are cherry-picking for confirmation bias rather than digging a bit deeper and are falling into the populist trap of simplistic solutions to complex issues and plain old tribalism.



              Comment


              • #52
                QUOTE "Once China stashes away enough iron and stops buying more, we will be in trouble and our society may indeed begin to look like the USA.

                The gig economy is BS. Doesn't pay super, no insurance, sick leave etc. It is the pointy end of Capitalism ..... welcome to the jungle!?"END QUOTE
                Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious, (no offence intended)

                Care to remind the Federal Government or some of your peers of this?

                The reality is that the so called free trade agreements don't mean shit in reality. It's was a Corporate driven bullshit project that allowed Governments the ability to boast they were doing something to benefit the Country but in reality we were/are being sold to Corporate interests. Neo-liberalism is poison. Hayek, Thatcher, Reagan & Rodent Howard & the current crop have destroyed the Social fabric of their Countries.

                The reality is that people have been sleepwalking into this for 20+ years, COVID19 might have accelerated it.

                Comment


                • #53
                  The reality is everyone has the right to do as they are told
                  Smoke me a kipper...I'll be home in time for breakfast

                  Comment


                  • #54
                    Ah..mm, might have overdone the 'reality' bit, but you get the drift, we are being fucked over by corporate interests which might become the new sort of dictatorship. Sounds far removed?

                    Social media, a gullible, poor/deliberately misinformed mainstream media could lead to demise of what we see as a democracy. Need an example of what could go wrong, think Trump's US in particular & the Brexit debacle which is still to be resolved.

                    Comment


                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Skut View Post

                      In many cases the violence and property damage has been instigated by people from outside the region and of suspect motivations/affiliations. The good old "Boogaloo Bois" have been implicated in a few instances (plain old racist anarchists trying to create a race-war Charlie Manson style). Fox has already been called out for using doctored images of burning cars and buildings from events completely unrelated incidents NOT EVEN IN THE USA to add to the narrative of hysteria.

                      If the police were so concerned about keeping the peace then maybe they would stop gunning people down as a first response? Maybe they wouldn't have patrol cars with Punisher skull logos and "Blue Lives Matter" plastered all over them (that was in Kentucky in 2017, which were eventually removed - so this is not new or a recent reaction).

                      The "vigilantes" are protecting property from potential looters/arsonists. I did not say (although I understand the possible misunderstanding) that the looter/arsonists were genuine BLM protestors.

                      As for the Police in the USA. I fully agree they have a culture problem, which affects ALL Americans. If they shoot people in the back, they should be tried the murder.
                      It is also easy tho, in a country with so many guns to understand why they are trigger happy.

                      Originally posted by Crim View Post

                      I suspect the ABC won't show it because of the Murdoch influence here..
                      Good news, its on the ABC starting this Sunday around 7.30pm.

                      Comment


                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Crim View Post

                        The modus operandi of Fox News in the US & the Murdoch media as a whole is to scare people, create conflict within society, create an "us & them" mindset. This is their business model. It gains them access to the corridors of power, in fact they have become king makers here, the UK & in the US. The organisation is truly evil IMHO. Watch the latest 3 part BBC documentary about Murdoch, it's available on line. I suspect the ABC won't show it because of the Murdoch influence here..
                        This is just to dis-pare people of some confusion while what they'll bring for the people will be something way different. It can surprise you with yet another wave of psychic warfare worse than world war.

                        Comment

                        Working...
                        X