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  • 'Top cop's warning to motorcyclists.'

    Here we go, as predicted

    Top cop's warning to motorcyclists

    Stay alert. Stay safe.
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  • #2
    Well this should encourage the government to implement more rider training.


    Bwahahahahahahahahaha.


    More likely to lead to some extra attention for a period from the gendarme's.
    They hung a sign up in our town "If you live it up, you won't live it down"-Tom Waits

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    • #3
      Well I'm ready to be flamed.

      No amount of rider training will stop us thinking we are the next stoner an being a idiot.

      Been there an done that unfortunately. Thankfully I didn't have to pay the ultimate price
      Every one has a story.....

      http://www.perthstreetbikes.com/foru...updates-82338/

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      • #4
        Agreed, Falcore.
        "Once upon a time we would obey in public, but in private we would be cynical; today, we announce cynicism, but in private we obey."

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        • #5
          It is something to think about but I still think they they should also use this to push the point to cars etc to be more aware of bikes on the road.
          Not that I'm claiming the article is wrong, there is a lot to be learnt by the tragic mistakes/accidents of others
          Fuck this, lets ride

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          • #6
            "And on Tuesday a 45-year-old Secret Harbour man died in Royal Perth Hospital after a crash near Mandurah on Sunday.

            Police are calling for witnesses to the crash, which took place at 8pm on Anstruther Road, near Ward Street in Mandurah.

            It is believed the man lost control of his motorcycle after hitting the pedestrian strip, causing him to be thrown onto the road."


            I would like to know the circumstances here. Was he taking evasive action or rider error?

            It is easy to state 'single bike' accidents but how many are due to an event where the bike has not collided with another vehicle however another vehicle was a contributing factor?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by kapyong View Post
              "It is believed the man lost control of his motorcycle after hitting the pedestrian strip, causing him to be thrown onto the road."

              I would like to know the circumstances here. Was he taking evasive action or rider error?

              It is easy to state 'single bike' accidents but how many are due to an event where the bike has not collided with another vehicle however another vehicle was a contributing factor?
              In city riding maybe, but in the country, 'single vehicle accident' usually means rider error.
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              • #8
                Meh - It's a risk we take, why should he have any say in it? might as well start oppressing skydivers and rock fishermen too... more than a fair few of them die each year and I can bet the percentage is even higher among them...

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                • #9
                  There are so many variables and it's too easy to blame the victim ... yes, it's sometimes rider-error but that doesn't absolve the authorities from their own responsibilities such as:-

                  • making sure the roads are in decent condition/sensiblyaligned,
                  • giving proper thought to appropriate signage and markings (including more intelligent placing of barrier lines instead of the current increasing double white line campagne they seem to have embarked on - does someone up there have shares in a paint factory or something?) and
                  • putting appropriate limits in place (this would mean raising limits in many places I could think of instead of the 'one size fits all' approach that seems to be the current norm.)


                  and just because cage drivers aren't always involved, it's muddy thinking for this 'top cop' to imply they are seldom or never involved :mellow:

                  Also anyone saying more training is needed - both for cagers and for 'born again' bikers - wouldn't be wrong?
                  yes, i DO serve the devil - but only in an advisory capacity ...


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mstriumph View Post
                    There are so many variables and it's too easy to blame the victim ... yes, it's sometimes rider-error but that doesn't absolve the authorities from their own responsibilities such as:-
                    • making sure the roads are in decent condition/sensiblyaligned,
                    • giving proper thought to appropriate signage and markings (including more intelligent placing of barrier lines instead of the current increasing double white line campagne they seem to have embarked on - does someone up there have shares in a paint factory or something?) and
                    • putting appropriate limits in place (this would mean raising limits in many places I could think of instead of the 'one size fits all' approach that seems to be the current norm.)
                    and just because cage drivers aren't always involved, it's muddy thinking for this 'top cop' to imply they are seldom or never involved :mellow:

                    Also anyone saying more training is needed - both for cagers and for 'born again' bikers - wouldn't be wrong?
                    This is all true, but until people start trying a little harder not to crash, the police and authorities will keep focussing on riders as the main cause of the problem.

                    "One of the things that happens when you talk to motorcyclists is they'll say 'it’s all those car drivers out there, they drive out in front of us and we run into them,'" Mr O'Callaghan said.
                    "But most motorcycle fatalities... are single vehicle fatalities."
                    "So the issue is here, it is something to do with the way people are riding their motorcycles, it is not a lot to do with other road users, and that's something that motorcyclists have to be aware of."


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                    • #11
                      If you encounter roads that aren't in decent condition or sensibly aligned, signed or marked, then it's up to you to slow down. The posted limit is for optimum conditions and the onus is on the driver/rider to review that limit and slow down if conditions are not optimal.

                      A sign isn't going to help you when you're dead or in pieces in a hospital bed. Nor is blaming some car that didn't see you. Fact is - if you hit them, you didn't see them either and that is your fault. Your fault for assuming that every vehicle around you is going to obey the road rules. Your fault for not scanning, reading the road ahead, adjusting your speed so you have time to react and having an escape route if shit goes south.

                      Given our vulnerability, we need to treat every motorbike accident as the fault of the rider, and make sure that we ride in such a way that these accidents do not happen. Pointing the finger at other road users, pot holes, gravel, signage etc is an exercise in futility - it's up to you, on the bike, at the time and in the place, to keep yourself alive.

                      Nothing else matters, in the end.
                      "Once upon a time we would obey in public, but in private we would be cynical; today, we announce cynicism, but in private we obey."

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                      • #12
                        Coming from the father of a drug addict.... >:[

                        JD


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Spock View Post
                          In city riding maybe, but in the country, 'single vehicle accident' usually means rider error.
                          Like mine - where the little roo with one jump from behind the bush, took my front wheel out from under me........


                          Would also help if more riders cultivated better country road skills, and didn't try to ride like they're on a racetrack.........you don't need to dawdle, but it's a different skill set in many areas...

                          ......it's up to you, on the bike, at the time and in the place, to keep yourself alive.

                          Nothing else matters, in the end.
                          About sums it up, really.
                          Last edited by SPman; 02-03-2012, 08:23 AM.
                          “The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is. - W Churchill”

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JawDroppin View Post
                            Coming from the father of a drug addict.... >:[
                            And what has his son's substance abuse problem got to do with this?
                            He has a valid point, people are binning their shit and killing themselves, ergo, they are riding outside their limits and should just slow the fuck down.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Desmo View Post
                              And what has his son's substance abuse problem got to do with this?
                              He has a valid point, people are binning their shit and killing themselves, ergo, they are riding outside their limits and should just slow the fuck down.
                              Desmo - have you found God recently or joined some cult? Your rate of sensible posts saying intelligent, well thought out things is out of control. :slow:
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