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  • Would Honda want to give up probably the rider that is like push Marc the most?

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    • Originally posted by SomeBloke View Post
      Would Honda want to give up probably the rider that is like push Marc the most?
      I don't see why they would do so willingly. The only scenario I could see it as being a good move is if they can get Quatararo. He's not as accomplished or as proven as Jorge but he is likely to be the next in line to challenge Marquez for a title. So why not grab the next best immediate threat? I still believe Jorge is the guy Honda need on their bike if they want to make it easier to ride.

      It's easy to forget that last year Jorge's season was bought down because of a mechanical issue caused him to crash and get injured. Ducati stuck their hand up and accepted responsibility. He won just as many races as Dovi did last year IIRC. Jorge was able to show complete dominance, something Dovi has never been able to do.

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      • Originally posted by SomeBloke View Post
        Would Honda want to give up probably the rider that is like push Marc the most?
        Not sure how much pushing Lorenzo was doing from 14th. The one time he did see the leaders while wearing HRC colours he was so disoriented that he ploughed straight into them.

        May as well put Karel Abraham on the other HRC bike.

        Trying to think of a wise and sincere signature quote, but the only words that leap to mind are, "TITTY SPRINKLES"

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        • Honda want Lorenzo because Lorenzo cannot beat MM on the same bike.

          I think Honda want Bautista in case Lorenzo jumps ship. If Lorenzo does jump, Bautista goes to Repsol Honda, if Lorenzo doesn't, Bautista to WSBK. It makes no other sense for Bautista to be baulking at a contract extension with Ducati for any other reason. (except maybe $$$$)

          Lorenzo rumors must be true because there is no other reason why Miller hasn't been given a contract for next year..

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          • With this talk of jumping ship, Honda have to release him first.

            WRT Miller, Miller suggested he originally was lead to believe it was due to paperwork associated with 4 factory Ducatis... but he no longer believes that.

            I think what's even more interesting than if Lorenzo goes to Ducati is who gets the vacant Honda seat... it may not be a straight swap. Miller has vehemently denied he would go to WSBK.

            Re: Bautista, I thought it was movement within WSBK to Honda, not back to motogp. If he goes to Honda in WSBK it won't be a good move career and championship wise.

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            • Originally posted by Kristy View Post

              Re: Bautista, I thought it was movement within WSBK to Honda, not back to motogp. If he goes to Honda in WSBK it won't be a good move career and championship wise.
              Whole heartedly agree that going to WSBK Honda would be a bad move hence why would he be considering it?

              I think its because Honda have said, If Lorenzo leaves, you can have the Motogp seat. This arangement would cover both Honda and Bautista.

              And I doubt it would be too hard for Lorenzo to leave Honda. It might cost him financially but they can't make him ride if he chooses not to.

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              • Looks like Jorge and Jack are staying put.

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                • Moto2 was great to watch as always... time to switch off now as Marquez wins another one.
                  Trying to think of a wise and sincere signature quote, but the only words that leap to mind are, "TITTY SPRINKLES"

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                  • You missed a good one if you switched off.

                    Dovi maintains his edge over Marc with respect to 1 on 1 battles. Also made the last corner pass stick whereas Marc couldn't previously.

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                    • Originally posted by Kristy View Post
                      You missed a good one if you switched off.

                      Dovi maintains his edge over Marc with respect to 1 on 1 battles. Also made the last corner pass stick whereas Marc couldn't previously.
                      Excellent race from start to finish IMO.

                      Fabio embarrassing the factory guys. There's nothing wrong with that Yamaha other than the consistency of the guys riding it.

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                      • Yammy is down on power - now that Honda has picked up their game in that area, it's more apparent - and was definitely apparent in the early stages of the race when Quartararo was up there. On the basis of performance thus far, give the lad a factory-spec bike!

                        Until Honda picked up their game this year it seemed the Duc was the outlier and unlikely to be matched, but Honda has closed the gap.
                        Last edited by Kristy; 12-08-2019, 03:55 AM.

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                        • Unpopular opinion/thoughts: Rossi has been struggling. Rossi has a contract for 2020. Yamaha could secure Quartararo as a factory rider if he made the move to the factory team for 2020. Would Rossi step aside? Similar thoughts were raised in 2018.

                          As much as people might want to see a 10th championship, it's very unlikely to happen. Granted that's not the sole driving factor - he still loves riding motorbikes - that is apparent and he's still probably within the top 10 riders in the world but there is an awful lot of new talent coming through. There simply aren't enough spots in the grid. Yes, there are others who may make way for them by going to the motogp graveyard (aka WSBK) and that's the most logical place to start but there's also riders worthy of factory seats.

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                          • If I heard the commentators correctly, I think Yamaha ARE going to give FQ a current spec factory bike for 2020.

                            KTM are pulling out of Moto2 to focus on MotoGP - and according to MotoGP.com, Zarco has asked KTM to end his contract. (Please switch Binder from the satellite team!)
                            Although Zarco would be silly to go now. Pol's results are showing that Dani's input might be proving fruitful and if their efforts are going to be more focused in the coming years ...

                            Alex Marquez is leaving EG / MVDS next year to go to Petronas.
                            Preparing him for the MotoGP team, and perhaps FQ going into the factory to replace Vale. (Looking at 2022...)?

                            That was a fantastic MotoGP race. Not much between Dovi and Marc for the entire race.
                            Lots of strategy playing out - it was good to see.

                            How lucky was Gardner to not get cleaned up after his clash with Marquez?
                            Sitting in the middle of the track having a tantrum, over the blind crest of a hill.
                            Fark! It look like the last bike to pass him was by less than 1m whilst WOT.

                            Also seems that Marc didn't read the press brief if being asked about the swingarm 'spoon' - <whispers> that is for cooling the tyre
                            Did anyone else notice he was running it on the weekend?
                            I haven't seen them use it before and didn't hear the commentators mention it.

                            Journo: As well as the new frame, you used your new aero and you also used the new swinging arm attachment... can you give us a quick idea of the advantages both of those give you and why did you use them"
                            Marc: Yeah, I mean the spoon was for the effect for the break point, the down force effect...

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                            • At those speeds Remy seriously could have been toast... and the most extreme version of burnt toast there is - not only setting off fire alarms but burning the whole fucking house down. Save your (unjustified) tanties for later - look towards the oncoming threats and get off the track. Reference lesson: Rabat 2018.

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                              • Originally posted by Kristy View Post
                                Unpopular opinion/thoughts: Rossi has been struggling. Rossi has a contract for 2020. Yamaha could secure Quartararo as a factory rider if he made the move to the factory team for 2020. Would Rossi step aside? Similar thoughts were raised in 2018.

                                As much as people might want to see a 10th championship, it's very unlikely to happen. Granted that's not the sole driving factor - he still loves riding motorbikes - that is apparent and he's still probably within the top 10 riders in the world but there is an awful lot of new talent coming through. There simply aren't enough spots in the grid. Yes, there are others who may make way for them by going to the motogp graveyard (aka WSBK) and that's the most logical place to start but there's also riders worthy of factory seats.
                                Might be unpopular but no wins since Assen 2017, over two years ago. 2 podiums in the last 20 races is not good enough for a factory rider. Vinales has had 2 wins in that time and 5 podiums, which is also not really good enough, his saving grace is that he has been taken out 3x this year through no fault of his own. Fabio has had 3 podiums so far this year and if not for a mechanical failure would be the leading Yamaha on a satellite bike just over halfway through his rookie year. Yamaha is competitive most weekends but its often a different rider that is competitive each weekend. It's been on the podium 7/11 races this year. In Qatar Rossi was only 0.6 off the win, in France Vinales' podium chances were ruined by Lorenzo, Mugello and Brno were disasters for the factory.
                                Yamaha has 1 win and 8 podiums.
                                Ducati has 3 wins and 11 podiums.
                                Honda has 6 wins and 12 podiums with only 2 podiums outside of Marquez's results.
                                Suzuki has 1 win and 2 podiums.

                                I think Ducati is still the best bike on the grid despite it's short comings with cornering. Outside of Marquez Honda is not getting results so its hard to evaluate, the bike clearly has shortcomings in everyone else's hands but is that a result of the bike suiting him over all others or his ability to ride around problems and adapt? Yamaha lacks top end grunt but is still IMO clearly a very good bike based on their results. Does anyone believe Marquez wouldn't win the title if he was on a Yamaha instead?

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